checks the clock and says softly ” Welcome to Roses lecture on the following topics.. BY REQUEST ….definitions of slavery over submission. Reasons to be enslaved. as opposed to submission. how to transition to slavery, separated forms of slavery. TPE & Hierarchy and if we have time . Q &A i`ll try to keep this one under 1hr 30 but i`m promising Nothing ! and this lecture is written around both subs prospective slaves, Mistress`s and switches
ok so slavery as opposed to submission, we covered the largest and most profound definition of this difference, the word no and as I said the rest really is just smoke and mirrors but we can lift that veil a little bit more this week i`m hoping and dispel a few of the myths that surround slavery as we go along.
Well, if I had a dime for every time someone asked this, I’d be doing this lecture this on a laptop on a beach somewhere in the Caribbean. in the past I’ve resisted the urge to answer this question, because I know someone else will argue every conceivable explanation and I can put my time to better use on other more definable philosophical arguments, like how many chucks could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
But since people will still be asking this question (and I’ll still be unable to resist the compulsion to answer) when I’m 97 and senile i`ll add my “definitive” answer to this question now; that way it won’t matter if I go all soft in the brains department, I can just refer to my notes that say, “This is your opinion on such-and-such, remember?”
so hers a few common . answers that you will hear over and over by almost everyone you meet that has been ” trained” to answer …
A submissive is someone who negotiates; a slave does not
A submissive has limits; a slave has given up all limits except those which his/her owner sets for them.
A submissive obeys and serves by choosing to do so each time and retains her will. A slave initially makes a choice to obey his/her master/mistress at all times and then submits to the will of his/her master at all times.
A submissive accepts submission, while a slave accepts obedience.
A submissive has retained some rights within the context of the D/s relationship, whereas a slave has given up all rights and becomes, in effect, property.
A submissive is owned, but a slave is possessed.
A slave is not allowed to sit on furniture or wear clothes, and always kneels at his/her owner’s feet.
A submissive has a safe-word to end play, while a slave has consented to no-consent.
A slave must be a submissive, but a submissive is not necessarily a slave.
Being a submissive is just a step on the way to the “ultimate” state of submission, which is being
A slave is more submissive than a “mere” submissive. Submissives are just playing; slaves live the lifestyle.
A submissive has more self-respect than a slave. Slaves are crazy, because who in their right mind would want to be a slave?
and those are just a few of the possible answers you will hear in parrot fashion some of them are right some of them a re complete cods wallop!
This is about the point where the fistfights and hair-pulling begin, and someone eventually is provoked to lob the ultimate holy hand-grenade of judgment: “You’re not a real submissive/slave!”
All of the above definitions are something I’ve actually heard people say, or read in various books or websites. Some of them are things I’ve subscribed to at one time or another. Some of them are completely true for the way a particular person lives and functions and perceives themselves as either a slave or a submissive. Some of them are pure bullshit. But this gets me or you in this case no closer to a final answer.
Maybe we might get further asking what a submissive and a slave have in common. Both have a deep need/desire to submit/surrender/give up at least some part of their will/control/power to a Dominant. They most often “need” this because pleasing and/or offering service to a Dominant who has earned their trust, their respect and (generally) their love, is an integral part of a submissive/slave’s fulfillment and satisfaction.
Now i`m sure someone has already disagreed with the above paragraph, on the grounds that they desire being controlled purely for the love of being controlled, not because they wish to please and/or serve…. so here i now add the caveat of saying, Okay a slave or submissive both need to give up some part of their control/power to a Dominant for whatever reason that motivates them. Fair enough? I think the ultimate point of this lecture, is that I am most assuredly not trying to limit or define or anyone in a negative way
So if we follow this “common ground” to its natural conclusion, then a submissive and a slave are really the same except for the extent to which they submit. A slave submits more of themselves (all of themselves? depends on your point of view ) to their owner. Ah, but, what is “more”? “More” than who’s less? Just like that, we’re back in sticky territory once more because everyone wants to quantify and measure the degrees of submission
“True slavery does not exist, and cannot exist in this or most countries around the world .”
Even if an individual agrees in every imaginable way to “be” a slave, there is no court in the United States or Europe, that recognizes slavery, consensual or otherwise, as a valid status. HOWEVER their are countries which do accept it and endorse it, as a valid status.. . If that slave decides to stop being a slave, there is no legal means to force them to return to that state, even if they signed a dozen notarized documents and have their owner’s name branded on their ass.
If leaving is an option, then is it really “slavery?” What we call slavery in the Lifestyle is a carefully crafted and maintained fantasy, even if it is fueled and compelled by very real needs, and lived 24/7 in very extreme states of control and obedience. Due to legal reasons one cannot advertise oneself as a slave in public or society and in most societies to attempt o do so brings a WHOLE new can of worms . However for SL purposes you have another problem .. once you accept you aer enslaved . any ideas what that HUGE problem is ?
Tenshi Brightflame : raises her hand.
yes tenshi ?
Tenshi Brightflame ): From uncollaring with using a non RLV viewer until losing interest in SL. Real life is always prioritized and it becomes odd if a slave says: “Sorry, need to grab a coffee”.
is a good one, i`ll grant ya . how many will stop a beating or a whippign and rape scene to go pick up the kids .. still makes me chuckle but yes Rl comes first always, but I was looking more at how a slave is viewed as opposed to a subby
in short its men NOW i`m not going to be a complete fruit about this and i`m not really a man hating frigid bitch .though doesn t do any harm to promite me as a such 😛 but men see the word slave as opposed to subby . and their minds head straight for the top shelf magazines in the sex shop and with that little adventure they loose common sense .
so their view of a slaved woman is Completely different in 99.5% of cases than the reality of the situation i`m pointing this out because some of you have alerady encountered such a person I am in No doubt what so ever
their version of the lifestyle comes from the magazines that have paper around them and nine times out of ten have no bearing in reality at all but that won’t stop those types of people from trying to make You do things they ” know is right for slaver and subbies to do ” Chalcedony Mao-Brightflame (chalcedonymao): So, a whole lot of Gor stuff :p
yeah basically the faster their wrists move the moer intence the scene is
so i`m going to conclude the definition . of slavery as opposed to submission by saying this …..Rose BrightFlame and Katy Kinsey and Karen Alton Say .. ” submission is a personal journey, always fluid. Slavery, while “generally” the more extreme end of submission’s sliding scale, is more useful as an ideal some strive for. And it doesn’t really matter in the end. What is submission to you may not be submission for me. What is slavery for me may not be slavery to you. The only definitions that really matter in your life are your own, and the person(s) you serve.” and yes i`m Enslaved to My Owner Brace Mayo Brightflame Online here in sl and email and other places and Off line in the real time as well and I wouldn’t have that’s Any other way ! everyone up to speed so far?
Joy Brightflame : /me raises my hand
Joy Brightflame : So… getting specific how that does work in the Brightflame family? If a salve can not say “no” then there would be times that would lead them to be dishonest about their feelings and such with their Owner. Yet, one of the four pillars of this family is honesty.
have you ever heard me say no to my owner`s request? and yet i`m sure you have heard me say no to others. not often a s I try to be a helpful a I can but the defining line here is that you only have to obey your owner.
so in no way would you be dishonoest to say no to others nor would not being able to say no to your owner be dishonesty does that answer the question joy ?
Joy Brightflame : Not really. But I will not hold you up
ok lets look at this one again a moment as I hate leaving loose ends
Joy Brightflame : May I give an example?
would you furnish me with an example of how you mean this to be ?snap great minds 😛 go for it
Joy Brightflame : we now have a stables here. so let’s say an Owner in the family really wants their slave to be a pony, but the slave has misgivings of being such. According to what I have understood from you . even if the slave has misgivings, if the Owner asks if they have any issues with being a pony, then the slave’s only answer is “No” which is being dishonest to their Owner.
ahh yes ok, this one i`m going to hand directly to My Owner
Brace Mao-Brightflame : Thanks, Mo Chroí
Brace Mao-Brightflame : Let me respond to this in this way
Brace Mao-Brightflame : While it is absolutely true that I could tell Rose to do something and she would with out fail do it…….there are some things I would not tell her to do. Because the honesty pillar ties into respect and trust.
Brace Mao-Brightflame : Before Rose and I entered into this relationship we learned about each other
Brace Mao-Brightflame : Built up a respect for each other
Brace Mao-Brightflame : Learned to trust each other
Brace Mao-Brightflame : Because of the respect I have for her, and the mutual trust we share….
Brace Mao-Brightflame : There are certain things I will not ask her to do
Brace Mao-Brightflame : Would she do the….yes
Brace Mao-Brightflame : Would I ask her….no
Brace Mao-Brightflame : A Mistress knows her slave
and ifi may add a slave must get to know her owner .
other wise you end up chained to a bed at franks emprorium or worse
Brace Mao-Brightflame : Correct. It is a two way street.
Tenshi Brightflame : /me nods smiling and takes notes.
there is another aspect though that was missed in the point .. if i may diverse a moment Mistress?
Brace Mao-Brightflame : Please do
the four pillars whilst strong and sturdy
are only strong because there are four of them that interlock just as slavery and submission to a degree is a partnership a closer bond than marriage in manyways. I know of a slave who will be happy to get very bloody on the end of a whip . till its runnign out of her wounds and shes in tears so bad she can’t breath but she won’t do anal with her husband that would be disrespectful “dirty ” even the partnership has to be flexible enough to withstand such tollerances as yes She can make me do this but will she? and rigid enough tosay yes I will go to be d like a good girl at 11 pm tonigth because we bothknow itsd the right thing to do and cos ifi don’t she gets to srip and beat me in front of you lot
but the only way this works is if the flexibility of knowing your owner and your slave is there, what you end up with is anarchy, chaos and very unhappy slaves and that is not a good thing when you count out hwo large this family May become .
hell two of us argueing brings the house down imagine what would happen with four or six of us now is your question answered joy ?
Joy Brightflame : Yes, thank you very much. It is correctly answered as well. I think a lot of that was missing from last week’s lecture and this week’s so far. I appreaciate your time and candor on this matter.
Brace Mao-Brightflame : If I may say this
of course Mistress
Brace Mao-Brightflame : A D/s relationship is a two way street. The four interlocking pillars of course. But there is one point that I always come back to for me, as a Mistress, and as a person. May not work for everyone, but works for me…..
Brace Mao-Brightflame : There is no greater joy or happiness than that which comes from the happiness of the ones you love
so lets wrap the last few toics up and then throw up a q an a..
how to transition to slavery, the simple version we just out lined for you .. ” get to know your owner an allow them to know you . not the image of you but You, ensue they know your likes dislikes tastes desires and taboos.. limits and loves we used to call it . and then probe to find out theirs!.. when your sure and when they are sure kneel and ask to be enslaved . the owners should then relay the request upstairs till the Head of house says yes or no interviews you or doesn’t at the owners discretion and then changes your status then the real fun begins!.. as you start to learn …..
so has any one got any other questions ?.. on tonights lecture? and yes I missed tpe and hierarchy BUT to be fair I covered virtually everything else in the lecture so far….
Tenshi Brightflameshakes her head. “No questions from my side…” she mumbles and clamps the pen to the clipboard.
unless Mistress has any other plans I think the lectures done for the day …..smiles and steps off the lecturn but stands near by ……